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PostSubject: Speed of ascending vertically.   Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:03 am

Boatavator: 10 seconds to go 128 blocks, or 12.8 blocks per second
Ladder: 53 seconds to go 128 blocks, or 2.42 blocks per second
Stairs: 40 seconds to climb 128 blocks, or 3.2 blocks per second


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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:05 am

Convert to:

Blocks/Second

Perhaps find Acceleration in B/S^2?

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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:29 am

BullShit squared?


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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:55 am

What about a water ladder?
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:53 am

I'd do a water ladder, but on a flatmap, squid are a major problem...
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:48 am

What? Squid can spawn in a 1x1x128 space? Amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:33 am

It's true. Squid have pushed me off the ladder on several occasions.
However, if you could get enough squid to spawn so that the unit cap for sea creatures was filled...
Will post results within a week! ('cuz I have, y'know, school)
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:30 am

bencb wrote:
What about a water ladder?
I have a water-ladder/ladder combo that elevates me 69 blocks. Depending on which wall I climb up, it either takes me 26 seconds to climb up, or 11 seconds to slide up. I also have a boatavator that takes me on the same journey in about 5-6 seconds.

According to my crude measurements:

Ladders: 2.6 m/s
Water-Ladders: 6.3 m/s
Boatavators: 12 m/s

These correspond roughly with the findings of CrazyLemon64.

I think that boatavators start you off with a steady acceleration, but then get capped at a maximum speed.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:03 am

Hans Lemurson wrote:
bencb wrote:
What about a water ladder?
I have a water-ladder/ladder combo that elevates me 69 blocks. Depending on which wall I climb up, it either takes me 26 seconds to climb up, or 11 seconds to slide up. I also have a boatavator that takes me on the same journey in about 5-6 seconds.

According to my crude measurements:

Ladders: 2.6 m/s
Water-Ladders: 6.3 m/s
Boatavators: 12 m/s

These correspond roughly with the findings of CrazyLemon64.

I think that boatavators start you off with a steady acceleration, but then get capped at a maximum speed.

Holding jump while climbing the water ladder or no?
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:14 pm

I don't think that jumping will influence climb speed. Your feet are never in contact with a solid surface while you climb. And lemur, yes, I also believe that the acceleration for a boatavator starts off fast, but the speed is capped. This might be a similar value to the max minecart speed, I don't know, but they might be close, if not equal, values. However, an experiment like that would load too many chunks too fast for my computer, so it would have to be someone else to test it.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:37 am

5n wrote:
Holding jump while climbing the water ladder or no?
No, the water-ladder phenomenon is unrelated to swimming, though I HAVE made a design where you do swim up the corner of a column of water. It is quite slow and I wouldn't recommend it.

As for the issue of acceleration, I think it doesn't really matter much because of how quickly the cap seems to be reached, though a way to test what the cap is would be to construct a bunch of boatavators of different heights (or use one boatavator which can be easily modified to take you different distances), and then make a graph of "Elapsed time" versus "Boatavator height".

However, if we cared enough about what the values actually are, we could probably find them through other means than just experimentation.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:49 pm

Actually, the corner trick works with magma too, in that the magma will still hurt people who touch it in the south-west (?) corner. You could make traps with that, like a fake water ladder.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:01 am

I have lots of experience with water ladders, and here's a little way to stop at floors which may show a connection with jumping and a special corner water ladder.

This is a standard corner water ladder. You simply walk into the corner to go up.

This is a water ladder with a 3 tall segment, though a 2 tall one will work as well. When you go up the ladder, you stop at the 2nd floor 3 blocks up, though this can be adjusted.

Here you are bouncing between the segment below and the 3 tall segment above. You may exit onto the 2nd floor, or hold space to ascend higher. I use this water ladder in all of my structures since it's cheap, fast, and maintenance free. This is most likely just the full block of falling water which requires you to "swim" up it instead of just holding space. I apologize if the pictures were too big, as I couldn't read the rules due to needing special permissions.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Wed May 25, 2011 7:23 pm

Wait, boatavators are being fixed now? Cool, we can actually USE this information! Alright, stairs are faster than ladders, but are less compact. Kthxbai.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Thu May 26, 2011 4:01 am

Nothing is as fast as vertical boat-clicking. Did you know that you can rest boats on top of torches?
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Thu May 26, 2011 4:38 am

I thought boats only collided with blocks themselves, not the torches.... Nonetheless, I shall check if your statement is true or not, it makes sense, since arrows, another entity, can be blocked by torches.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Thu May 26, 2011 5:33 am

Which is also being patched I think...
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Fri May 27, 2011 8:09 pm

What about a spiral staircase of powered rails? is that faster than stairs? it would only take a 3x3block path.


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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Fri May 27, 2011 8:25 pm

What do you mean by a 4-block path? Do you mean a 2x2 footprint? I'm fairly sure you can't do that with rails, since they can't turn and elevate at the same time. Also problematic is that (so far as I know) turning corners costs you speed.

As for spiral staircases though, those you can make in a 2x2 footprint ever since stairs stopped auto-aligning. WDSAWDSAWDSAWDSA and you've gone up 16 levels.
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PostSubject: Re: Speed of ascending vertically.   Fri May 27, 2011 8:30 pm

Whoops forgot minecraft physics. sorry
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